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Choice of flugel horn
I am thinking of buying a vintage Martin Imperial Flugel Horn. I am interested in finding a flugel that has that nice fluffy warm flugel thing but
which bites a little more like a trumpet when you put a bit more air into it. Unfortunately I will not get a chance to play this horn as I am
ordering it from a long way from where I live. Just wondering if anyone out there has played one and can talk about the characteristics of these
instruments.
My dream horn would be a Flumpet if I could afford it but that's not going to happen at the moment. Thanks for any help offered.
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![[*]](./images/corporate/default_icon.gif) posted on 5/24/02 at 12:20 |
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I have only played 2 Martin flugels, and that was many years ago. I remember thinking that the intonation was such a big problem that I probably
couldn't deal with it.
Pitch is usually a problem on flugel. We all get used to that. However, this left the impression on me that it was much worse than most other
flugels.
It might say something that I don't know anyone who plays the Martin professionally.
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| posted on 5/26/02 at 03:36 |
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Thanks for taking the time to reply, some very helpful info there.
The thing for me is that I have been getting more and more into playing flugel. I play mostly my own music so for me it's about finding an individual
"voice". That seems to be happening more on flugel.
(I currently play an LA Benge which is nice). I get a bit frustrated not having the dynamic range and the range of colours that the trumpet allows,
but I'm interested in trying to investigate the flugel thing further.
What about the bach strad cornet wrap flugel horns? Has anybody got any experience with them? I played one once and it felt good and sounded great.
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Conn flugel
A bit late, and a bit off the path...
In regard to Mark's prior comment about not nearly as much design going into flugels these days, C.G. Conn has been doing just that. They are
combining classic designs with modern improvements and technology. Consequently, they have created the Vintage One flugel. I know that Payton plays
a Vintage One trumpet - I think he plays the V-1 flugel too.
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what the hell is a flumpet?
Im not Mexican....Im Hispanic....and or Latin....which is the best type of trumpet player cuz we have those sexy fat lips!
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| posted on 7/6/02 at 21:21 |
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flumpet
it's a monette design cross between a flugel and a trumpet made orig for art farmer
check out thier website
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Hi phjk, .... I'm also looking for a decent Flugel Horn, in an ideal world I'd love a Bach Strad .... a lovely warm sound ...... but alas we can all
dream, unless I come across a good used model!
The brave and dangerous have the best lives .... they are seldom sorry.
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Flugel Tone....
Peter,
The Flugelhorn is quite a strange beast (in my opinion).
The Flugelhorn leadpipe (due to its’ primary function to TUNE the instrument) does NOT have a ventury or taper to it. This taper is one of the most
important aspects of the Trumpet to slot/center (playability) of the tone and get the initial resonance functioning efficiently within the
instrument.
Without this leadpipe ventury....the initial and primary resonance is controlled by the pseudo-ventury within the taper of the BACKBORE of the
mouthpiece. So....the MOUTHPIECE is VERY (more than on the trumpet) IMPORTANT in the initial creation of the resonance within the instrument. In fact,
I believe that a majority of successful Flugelhorns were made successful more by the mouthpiece that was included with the horn than with the overall
design....most players do not carry around THEIR Flugelhorn mouthpiece when testing instruments....they just pick up the horn and use the included
mouthpiece.
Besides the mouthpiece, the bell flare also has much to do with the overall tone of the instrument.
In my opinion, a flugelhorn should NOT sound like a trumpet....but SHOULD almost sound as different as possible....or what is the use of playing
one?
I have not played the Martin....but would make sure that you are testing the horn with a mouthpiece of YOUR choice and not just play the one that is
included with the instrument.
And as far as the overall design is concerned....the Flugelhorn has not gone through NEARLY as much scrutiny as has Trumpet design technology in
recent years....thus, it is probably less important to pick a good instrument as it is to pick a good mouthpiece.
If you stick with the well known manufacturers, you will probably be satisfied with a decent instrument design....other than that....I recommend going
for tone first!
I currently (still) play an old Yamaha red brass (circa 1978)....overhauled once....still plays well and is all I need....but would probably consider
the Calicchio models if money was no object and I used it more.
Sorry for the long winded post....
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Does anyone know anything about Jupiter Flugelhorns? I'm looking to buy a used flugel, found a Jupiter in good condition, but I dont know much of the
company. Any info would be appreciated.
-HOLLER
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Jupiter
The Jupiter pro flugels play ok. the only thing that I did not like about them,is that they felt like a small bore to me and tight in the upper
register. the intonation was ok and the third trigger sure was nice. they are ok, but not great. My advice.......get a Yamaha 6310Z flugel or a
couesnon with a trigger.
Tom Harrell has cut a path for all of us to walk on.....
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I own a Jupiter...
I have to agree with Mark, the mouthpiece greatly changes the charasitcs of the sound. I have tried 3 mouthpieces with it and each one make it sound
like a toally different horn.
The one it came with one made it kind of mellow but I did not like the feel of it.
While I was waiting on my custom one to be built (to match my rim countour of my others) I played on my trumpet mouthpice... it sounded like a large
bore trumpet so there was no point...
My custom mouthpiece cost me some cash but gave me that dark mellow sound that I was looking for... spend you money here to make a difference...
-Marc
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| posted on 8/22/02 at 21:58 |
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oh yeah forgot to mention... I still like the yamaha's and the Courtious Flugelhorns the best...
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Amati
im also lookin for a flugelhorn are the amati's any good
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| posted on 9/29/02 at 16:32 |
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n the subject of the fluegel
i agree with MVC
it is a strange beast
it is actually less needed to have a trigger on the third valve slide, as the fluegel is more in tune than a trumpet for some very strange reason
i also agree with MVC on the topic of the rose brass yamaha fluegel, this is what i play, and wow, it sounds nice
warm sound, bites when you want it to, which i personally don't but for playing pedals, it rips through em
i play a stork 2fl mouthpiece, and it is very different from most other mouthpieces, it has no bowl shape to the cup, it has no bite and it is
basically a funnel which meets up with a wide throat
great mouthpiece, very warm tone, i get great range in my fluegel, even though, fluegels aren't designed for range, its fun to play dubba g's and
Bb's on it
hope i was helpful, peace
oh, and if the fact that it does not come standard with the trigger bothers you, yamaha makes a replacement third valve slide with a trigger, just
bring it to a brass shop, and they should be able to order it and attach it, the best work around boston is done at osmun brass, they are good bussies
of mine down there, and they do a wonderful job, its no chop shop
http://store.osmun.com/index.htm
peace
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| posted on 10/2/02 at 16:15 |
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peekstrad go here:
http://www.dallasmusic.org/gearhead/Flugelhorn%20Guide.html
and no, stay away from that brand
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VC-1
As far as flugelhorns go, I don't own one, but I have been shopping around for some time, and what I have found is that the Conn Vintage 1 is one of
the better flugels out there, I also really like the Getzen Eterna 180-s, the intonation on both of the horns is really tight.
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flugelhorn mouthpiece
Concerning flugelhorn: the mouthpiece is indeed very important. I recommend a Dennis Wick (I play his #2) for an authentic mellow sound. It is much
like a french horn mouthpiece with a very deep conical cup and wide open throat. It takes some time to get used to it (especially above the staff)
but gives the very best sound.
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I am a former lower brass player - trombone/Baritone-Euphonium/Tuba. I am looking for an instrument to play for my own private pleasure. Is a flugal
treble register? Is it keyed like a trumpet? Is mouthpiece small like a trumpet? Think a lower brass player could adapt. Sounds like a fun axe!
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Better late than never: about the Martin Imperial Flugelhorn. I think that Miles Davis played one when he recorded with Gil Evans (Miles ahead, Borgy
and Bess). Am I right? Does anyone know where I could try to buy one?
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| posted on 12/27/02 at 09:53 |
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Flugel Horn
Hi, A Flugel is like playing a Tenor Horn(sort off), you must watch your intonation and be really gentle with the lower register. The intonation can
blow out really badly. The sound is a conical shape Trumpet is cylindrical. !
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Reg
I am a former lower brass player - trombone/Baritone-Euphonium/Tuba. I am looking for an instrument to play for my own private pleasure. Is a flugal
treble register? Is it keyed like a trumpet? Is mouthpiece small like a trumpet? Think a lower brass player could adapt. Sounds like a fun axe!
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| posted on 1/16/03 at 21:08 |
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reg - yes treble - Bb just like a trumpet - the mouthpieces are exactly like a trumpets with the exception of the backbore taper and that the cups are
usually deep v shaped like cornets use. fingerings and everything are just like playing a Bb trumpet.
If you can play a trumpet then you can play a flugelhorn, it is a matter of learning to deal with the quirks of the intonation.
-marc
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| posted on 2/9/03 at 02:31 |
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I have owned a Cuesnon, Yamaha, and a Callett. My favorite is the Callett Jazz model. Intonation is awesome, and what a tone! The bell is bronze -
rose brass. A great horn. After looking at Jeromes site, he may not offer flugels anymore, but go to www.kanstul.net Zig Kanstul manufactured the
flugels for Callett if I am not mistaken, and his Copper bell flugels are amazing.
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I've recently purchased a B&S flugel with a gold brass bell and it really is awesome to play. it has a beautiful rich warm tone and is really easy to
blow. I tried various models, some were more expensive, like the Getzen, Bach and Yamaha 'Bobby Shew' .... I just lined them up and played, swapping
from one to the other over a 2 hour period and just fell in love with the B&S, it tends to play more like a 'traditional' European flugel.
Does anyone else play this make - out of interest?
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| posted on 3/5/03 at 18:31 |
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I do not at this time own my own flugel. However I recently purchased a B&S piccolo and I love it. This line of horn will be very popular before
long. The good thing is that they are cheap (as compared to schilke, bach, yamaha) and quality. But I have this feeling that whithin a couple of
years they will be so popular that the price will go up
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